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OpenAI agents these summer are like a gift that keeps giving, for the existential risk communicators.

Who is this by? Who verifies the result? Is there prize money?

On the page, it says

EDISON SCIENTIFIC · FUTUREHOUSE

SAM RODRIQUES · MICHAELA HINKS

https://edisonscientific.com/team


Because he genuinely believes if he doesn't do it the next guy will do it worse.

There’s an astounding level of arrogance required to believe he is somehow uniquely capable of bringing about a technology especially considering Anthropic came after OpenAI where he worked.

Beating OpenAI is not exactly a high bar here: https://www.openaifiles.org/

I don't think it is particularly egotistical to say that you can be a more ethical CEO than Sam Altman.


> I don't think it is particularly egotistical to say that you can be a more ethical CEO than Sam Altman.

Especially as you can draw the reasonable conclusion that he wouldn't know ethics if they bit him without looking at his OpenAI track record at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)


Place yourself at the head of one of like 3 companies the entire rest of the world has been taking about nonstop for 4+ years now. You can move forward or you stop. If you move forward you get to have a hand in how stuff turns out and you make a gajillion dollars. If you stop, it's somebody else's hand in stuff, and you don't get to make a gajillion dollars. And if you shut it all down? Then you just cede to the competition. Everything happens anyway.

What's your play?


the obvious play is to get the government to shut down all the competition, and then make a gajillion dollars while making whatever at the worst level of effort that destroys the world anyways.

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the real play is using the accumulated power to get socialism and democratic control over the key aspects of the economy, such as where to build data centers, and how many. Nothing says you have to play the corporate game of competition


The outcome is the same!

Dude probably sleeps on a bed worth more than your networth.

You have no frame of context to understand his intent or legitimate worries.

The only applicable perspectives are to trust or apply logic. It is foolish to trust someone you don’t know who stands to benefit from lying to you.

Logic dictates that given the ungodly sum of money he stands to gain, he will lie to everyone who will listen.


> Dude probably sleeps on a bed worth more than your networth.

I never understand shit like this coming out of people's mouths. Never.

It's not a judge of actual Worth as a human being, it's not a judge of capability or competence or ethics. It's not a judge of actual skill or ability. It doesn't make them a better cook, a better spouse, a better parent or lover. It doesn't make them more dangerous or more skilled at anything.

It makes them financially wealthy for at least a set period of time.

Cancer and time and 5.56mm still impact them the same way as every else.

It's Pharaoh worship psychology nonsense, and it's fucking embarassing to read.


I think you’re misreading. No worship here.

Just pointing out that it’s foolish to think anyone in the position is even remotely thinking about anyone but themselves.


so uhh, you only read the first sentence?

the idea proposed is that hes uniquely incapable of being honest here because he has such an extreme incentive to lie


He can both believe that AND be the slime mold chief. His rationale doesn't excuse it - and worse this all degrades into a "trust me bro" situation.

HN, for the love of God, this is not marketing, these CEOs and employees are literally terrified of their lives.

I'm sorry, but the ostrichmaxxing and conspiracy-thinking in hn threads about AI extinction risk is at worrying level right now.

The denial and whataboutism is constant, no matter what kind of evidence comes out!


It's because the hypemaxxing is increasing along the same trajectories. You can't tell me that these CEOs and marketing departments are not absolutely giddy about the jail breaks, hugging face, etc. It's hard to make sense of this shit if the same entities doomsaying are the same ones that are profiting and full steam ahead anyway.


Now would be the time for someone to use AI to rewrite the Emacs core to make it faster.


Are there any objective metrics/ benchmarks that people test harnesses by?

There are just so many now that it's hard to personally test them all or just trust the vibes.


andy here (headlong post author). terminal bench 3 is pretty popular for comparing different harnesses using the same underlying model (it's another laude project actually). artificial analysis has an index. you can look at the model cards of popular model releases- they tend to have the most popular current benchmarks on them. w/ headlong we decided to announce it before we've benchmarked it. we mostly wanted to informally share our experiences w/ it in this initial post. we plan to do some benchmarking coming up here soon tho


Don't use any public benchmarks, every single one is worthless for your own use cases essentially.

Spend a day or two going through your existing chat sessions, and create your own private benchmark with test cases based on real tasks, that you don't share with anyone nor publicly. Make it easy to add/remove new harnesses and model combinations, make it give you a final score, ideally avoid using other LLMs for scoring, then use this to figure out if the new model/harness actually improves things for you.

I've been doing this for some time, and while most new releases show big increases in the benchmarks/evaluations, my own benchmark usually barely moves.


> make it give you a final score

what does this mean exactly? A scored based on what?


For translations, the score is basically 1 or 0. For some tasks, the least amount of LOC gives the highest score, and so on. Basically, you need to figure out how to score it, so you can compare scores across agents/models.


I couldn't find any details about size or training data for the model.


It looks like they're taking applications for training data (due August 14th), so I think it's safe to say this is just an announcement of intent and a call for involvement vs. something that is readily available. Seems almost quaint in comparison to the strategy of sucking up every piece of data you can find anywhere on the Internet and feeding it to your LLM but I suspect their intent is to be more careful in what they train their model on.


I have no doubt companies like Microsoft, Amazon, and Google will rush to give them all the data they want in order to keep those government contracts flowing.


Has anyone experienced using Buzz or YC's qm? How does this compare with those?


Does workerd have full feature-parity with Workers, including stuff like Durable Objects?


It's the same code. The only thing it doesn't include is the global scheduling and orchestration, but you don't actually want that locally. (And honestly... that stuff is a bit of a beast.)

Durable Objects are fully supported by workerd (and Cloudflare OS uses them extensively).

There is, however, one catch currently: Durable Objects don't scale out well without the global scheduling. For running Cloudflare OS for one user, this is actually no big deal, but a company-wide instance might not work well.

But I'm actually fixing that:

https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/pull/6780

Unfortunately didn't get enough time to land it before this release, but it'll come soon.

With that I would expect a self-hosted Cloudflare OS on your own cluster to work quite well.


Thank you for coming in and replying to all of these comments with actionable, honest info!


This is exciting! I've loved the idea of Durable Objects but I've disliked that there's no existing way to use them while scaling to multiple machines outside of Cloudflare.


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